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Elshar Khandar
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Posted - 2012.08.23 05:53:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:I want to not wear heels and being forced into them is not cool regardless of how you decide I should feel about it.
Here's a thought: If it upsets you as much as it seems to (I'm assuming you're not just a fat guy trolling) why don't you do one of two things: 1) switch off captains quarters or 2) go play some other game as if the avatar's shoes are upsetting you this much EvE might not be the right game for you.
Regarding your comment about women being marginalised; the only women I've ever met who were marginalised are those that have decided themselves that they're marginalised. Those that don't consider themselves marginalised aren't. It's a special kind of self-pity you're wallowing in.
@Nik - Hilarious
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Elshar Khandar
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Posted - 2012.08.23 05:57:00 -
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Tenris Anis wrote:Nikk Narrel wrote:
Why would anyone think high heels were uncomfortable...?
Bio-mechanics. Changing this vie gen-tech or bio-implants would decrease run performance and why would any sane capsuler decrease his performance? The fact stays: Does not make sense to have no option on this.
Sorry, how can you possibly make that claim? In fact, one could assume that if the body is modified with gen-tech or bio-implants a side effect might be an increase in run performance. I can't claim this as fact because we simply don't know. You can't either but you seem to be trying to.
The fact stays: This is how the game is. The devs have explained why this is. Whine and complain all you like. They'll change it if it's technically plausible at some point in the future and not otherwise. |
Elshar Khandar
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Posted - 2012.09.06 14:19:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:bump
Hey! How dare you bump into me!
You're a racist. You hate me and I know that because you bumped me. That makes you a racist and anything you say to the contrary just strengthens my assertion that you are, indeed racist.
On the subject of shoes, though, I think all women should be made to wear high heals at all times. With so many ugly women that dress like men out there we need something to allow us men to avoid the embarrasement of misidentifying women as men. If all women wore high heals and all men didn't (as in EvE) it would all be made much simpler. So really, CCP have merely solved a problem thats inherent in western society anyway.
+1 to CCP for their sensible approach to making it easy to identify the sexes. |
Elshar Khandar
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Posted - 2012.09.07 06:08:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:bump
So you've nothing more to say on the subject other than "bump".
And still you have almost no support for your demands.
I bet you were the sort of person who as a child, when told she couldn't have something, screamed and screamed and screamed until daddy gave it to you. And from your obvious misandry I'd say your daddy did give it to you. |
Elshar Khandar
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Posted - 2012.09.07 11:41:00 -
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Misogyny is the hatred of women or girls. That means ALL women or girls. It DOES NOT mean hating one women or one girl because they're a biggoted hate monger demanding ridiculously pointless things (considering the lack of any avatar interaction) simply because she considers herself to be marginalised and therefore have more rights than anyone else.
I and most of the other supposed misogynists here don't hate women or girls. In fact, most of us actively love them as often as we possibly can.
It's a bit like an argument between a black guy and a white guy. If one of them loses his temper and hits the other is he a racist? Well, it entirely depends on whether he's attacked the other chap because of the colour of his skin (or nationality etc.) or because of something completely different. So, the black guy slept with the white guy's sister, took photos and posted them on the internet. The white guy hits the black guy. Is it racist or is it pretty much justified?
Isabel Midnight has shouted demands which either aren't backed up by anyone else (the few positives being alts) or are backed up by such a tiny portion of the forum goers that the validity of the demands should be and have been brought into question.
Isabel Midnight has accused most, if not all, of the people who've replied negatively to her proposal, whether agressively or not, with blanket "You're all misogynists" comments which are as valid as the black guy in my example claiming the white guy is a racist. Her arguments aren't agreed with by most of the people who read and post on this forum. She persists in trying to enforce her demands, not with calm rationality but with baseless accusations casting the natures and ethics of ALL her ctitics into question whilst claiming to be the injured party.
She is not the injured party. She brought a point which is not widely seen as important by the playerbase to the attention of the forum in the form of a demand and then accused any and all neighsayers of being misogynists and worse.
&TLDR Isabel Midnight is a bigot who likes accusing others of her own flaw. |
Elshar Khandar
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Posted - 2012.09.07 12:57:00 -
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L Salander wrote:
Except what they're "demanding" isn't ridiculous or pointless at all, forcing all female characters to dress a certain way is very misogynistic. The fact that the vast majority of players (aka men) are ok with it doesn't mean it's ok. Argumentum ad populum doesn't stand, mate.
Please acquaint yourself with the definition of misogyny.
IF there was any misogyny involved in women in the game having to wear high heals it would mean that CCP intentionally made it that way specifically because they hate women.
Anyone with half a brain can tell that simply isn't the case.
Therefore, the only logical assumption that can be made is that the reason women all wear high heals is because of a mix of pragmatic design decisions, cost/benefit analysis (technical and/or financial) and simplification of complicated interaction mechanics. There may be others but I think that covers the most obvious.
Argumentum ad populum does actually stand. Someone who believes themselves to be in the minority and/or marginalised doesn't get more than one vote to make up for it in any country, as far as I can tell.
People really need to get to grips with a bit of common sense. When and only when we have avatar interactions does this demand transition from pointless to having some (albeit very little) merit. |
Elshar Khandar
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Posted - 2012.09.07 18:42:00 -
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Paikis wrote:
Having said that, why are we having a political discussion in my internet spaceships forum!?
I think it's because the OP started it and needed to have some realities explaining to her.
Mind you, you and Nik both make the fair point, albeit obliquely, that this is a forum for features and ideas for the online multi-player game EvE. I don't believe this includes delusional whining on the scale seen in this thread.
Just my twopence worth, mind. I really want to make it clear at this point that this is merely my opinion and not "truth" in any sense of the word.
@Nik - Hell yeah! I can so get behind high heal boots with missile launchers built in. I might have to start another thread.....
mu-hahahaha! |
Elshar Khandar
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Posted - 2012.09.10 09:32:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:Intent is not part of the term. People have even posted wikipedia definitions and such in here and intent has never been mentioned.
If you step on my foot it hurts me regardless of your intent. If someone stood on your foot and you started wailing about how you didn't mean to step on it so how dare they feel pain....
Unfortunately your analogy doesn't work.
If I stepped on your foot intentionally because I hate women in general, not because it was an accident or because I've developed a deep seated hatred of you personally due to your behaviour and biggotry then it would be classed as misogyny.
If I stepped on your foot because it was an accident, whether it hurt or not it would still be an accident and not have anything to do with misogyny.
If I stepped on your foot intentionally to hurt you because I'd developed a deep seated hatred or dislike of you personally because of your behaviour, biggotry and opinions it would still not be misogyny, it would be because I dislike or hate you, not all women.
Therefore, intent does indeed matter. In fact, it's the defining factor as to whether the action is misogynistic or not.
As I've expressed before, please acquaint yourself with an accurate definition of misogyny if you wish to continue using the word otherwise you'll merely be compounding the general perception that you're not very bright. |
Elshar Khandar
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:43:00 -
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@ Isabel Midnight
So you're ignoring the fact that every post you've made regarding misogyny is factually incorrect, then?
It's interesting to see you ranting about how marginalised you are whilst completely ignoring any explanations of why you're wrong.
One might make the assumption that you know you're wrong and you're merely trolling.
For the time being I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but you're not helping your cause by ignoring people who are trying to actually help your understanding regarding what you're trying to claim. |
Elshar Khandar
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:45:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:Go back to /r/MRA
Go back to what now?
EDIT - I've googled what you just said and there are way too many things that you clearly don't mean. Have you devolved to meaningless insults or did you actually have a real meaning to that instruction? |
Elshar Khandar
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Posted - 2012.09.10 13:49:00 -
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Nikk Narrel wrote: Interesting suggestion
You make an interesting point and I would concur. Things simply don't add up if one was to take her at face value.
So either:
a) She is actually a mentally deficient woman
or
b) She's a man trying to demean women
Considering he/she has shown the capacity for logical debate and continues to use the word misogyny incorrectly even though he/she has had it explained it seems unlikely that it really is a woman. So yes, your suggestion seems to fit the facts best.
Congrats for uncovering this now obvious misogynist. |
Elshar Khandar
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Posted - 2012.09.10 14:15:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:By all means write me off as a troll if it means you stop posting your drivel in here. I would love to see you try to explain to a room of people irl that men are the ones who are being oppressed by feminists calling them out on their misogyny. Misogyny so ingrained that they don't even realize they are doing it and get super offended if you point it out. HOW DARE YOU CALL ME A MEAN WORD !! 
I reiterate; please acquaint yourself with an accurate definition of misogyny. You seem to believe something that simply isn't true.
Your arguments are falling down around your ears because you refuse to answer simple questions regarding them or, for that matter, anything else.
You've ignored my last few questions to you, presumably because you have no decent answers. Either enter the debate or accept that Nik got it right. |
Elshar Khandar
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Posted - 2012.09.10 14:28:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:It's pretty obvious to anyone educated reading this that both are you are very ingrained misogynists. Crying about how it's not your interpretation of the definition won't get you anywhere. Misogyny is misogyny even if the person is too dumb to realize what they are doing.
Ok, just for intellectual curiosity lets, hypothetically, say that you're definition is correct (which in reality it isn't).
By your own definition you're a misandrist and a racist. Whether your intention was to insult my gender or race you have because I say you have.
So, do you accept that you're a misandrist and a racist? |
Elshar Khandar
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Posted - 2012.09.10 14:28:00 -
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Sal Volatile wrote:Elshar Khandar wrote:
I reiterate; please acquaint yourself with an accurate definition of misogyny. You seem to believe something that simply isn't true.
Your arguments are falling down around your ears because you refuse to answer simple questions regarding them or, for that matter, anything else.
You've ignored my last few questions to you, presumably because you have no decent answers. Either enter the debate or accept that Nik got it right.
The only people who accept your so-called accurate definition of misogyny are MRAs and other misogynists.
Or just people who understand the English language.
EDIT - also, what the heck does MRA stand for?
If googled all I get is:
Motorcycle Racing Association
Magnetic Resonance Angiography
Mail Retrieval Agent
Mountain Rescue Association |
Elshar Khandar
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Posted - 2012.09.10 14:30:00 -
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Sal Volatile wrote:Xuixien wrote:
70-80% of the victims of violent crime are............ men.
Most **** victims are.......... men.
Most military casualties are.......... men.
Most people killed on the job are........ men.
The people working the tough and dangerous jobs are...... men.
Perpetrators of domestic violence are equally likely to be male or female, yet domestic abusers are only portrayed as......... men.
As much as 40% of child molesters are female, yet child molesters are only portrayed as......... men.
"Primary Aggressor" laws mean that even if the perpetrator is female, the people arrested for domestic disputes are.............. men.
INB4 B-b-b-b-b-but CEO's.
I'm just going to put a giant citation needed on these MRA talking points. Also, counterpoint: A woman posts about how she thinks that being forced to put heels on her character is sexist and promptly gets dogpiled and insulted by numerous male posters.
Where have I insulted any women? |
Elshar Khandar
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Posted - 2012.09.10 15:05:00 -
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MRA = Men's Rights Advocate
Is this right?
If so I can see a glaringly obvious flaw in your argument. MRA's appear to stand for equal rights. They don't have a misogynistic viewpoint. Equal rights is not a hateful standpoint.
If you think it is you're condemning a massive proportion of the female population of the world to be hatemongers as Women's Rights (equal rights for women) as a concept has been subscribed to by women for more than a century.
That is, unless you're a man-hater. In that case your viewpoint is skewed by hate so should be discarded as irrelevant. |
Elshar Khandar
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Posted - 2012.09.10 15:59:00 -
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Perhaps running a bordello might be better if you want to be lazy.
"Floppie's Bordello" has an interesting ring to it  |
Elshar Khandar
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Posted - 2012.09.10 17:11:00 -
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Elshar Khandar wrote:Isabel Midnight wrote:It's pretty obvious to anyone educated reading this that both are you are very ingrained misogynists. Crying about how it's not your interpretation of the definition won't get you anywhere. Misogyny is misogyny even if the person is too dumb to realize what they are doing. Ok, just for intellectual curiosity lets, hypothetically, say that your definition is correct (which in reality it isn't). By your own definition you're a misandrist and a racist. Whether your intention was to insult my gender or race you have because I say you have. So, do you accept that you're a misandrist and a racist?
I don't like quoting myself but you must have missed this, Isabel. Would you care to answer it or does it paint you in a terrible light with no logical out for you because of your flawed arguments? |
Elshar Khandar
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Posted - 2012.09.11 09:11:00 -
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@Isabel Midnight and all of her alts. Please answer the following question. Your refusal to answer this on the third attempt will prove to all and sundry that you are well aware that your arguments are illogical, your definition of misogyny is flawed and your thread is pure troll.
"Ok, just for intellectual curiosity lets, hypothetically, say that your definition of misogyny is correct (which in reality it isn't).
I am offended by your insults. I find them offensive to my race and gender. By your own definition that makes you a racist and a misandrist because whether you intend it or not that is the way I'm interpreting your words.
So, do you accept that you're a misandrist and a racist?" |
Elshar Khandar
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Posted - 2012.09.11 11:41:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:I guess I should have expected this level of abuse from a bunch of internet males. Girl want's change to MY video game?? *smashes chest and jumps up and down* NEVER I WILL NOT ALLOW IT THIS MAN GAME
Are you refusing to answer my previous question? |
Elshar Khandar
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Posted - 2012.09.11 11:49:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:Misandry isn't a real concept so no I can't be that. Accusing me of being a racist is absurd. You're flailing around trying to find anything that will stick to me.
Just accept the original point that high heels only is not cool and something CCP need to fix to bring this game into 2012...
You're being absurd. It either works both ways or not at all.
You're either a bigot or misogyny requires intent.
I'm reporting this thread now because it's become obvious that you're just trolling. |
Elshar Khandar
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Posted - 2012.09.11 12:08:00 -
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I've reported this thread. You're just trolling.
I don't mind debating things with people who are willing to actually logically debate. You're not. You just want to claim inflamatory things in order to get an emotional response out of people.
That's the definition of trolling. Trolling is against the forum rules which is why I've reported this thread. |
Elshar Khandar
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Posted - 2012.09.11 12:37:00 -
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I don't care whether there are only high heals in the game. There is no avatar interaction so it doesn't actually matter.
What I do care about is your claim that all men who disagree with you are misogynistic. This simply isn't true.
You're claiming that anyone who you say is misogynistic is misogynistic irrespective of whether they hate, dislike or distrust women in general. You're saying that intent has nothing to do with it.
However, when the tables are turned you claim that you cannot be branded as anything by anyone because for you (and I presume all women, according to you) the same rules don't apply. When I brand you as a man-hater because I say that you're expressing genuine vitriol towards all men you claim that this isn't the case with a purile, completely out of date argument because you simply won't agree with equality. In this instance though, you are creating an inequality towards men. You're claiming that women have the right to call men sexist haters but men have no rights whatsoever to call women sexist haters. So you're oppressing men.
So according to you, one set of rules controlled entirely by women apply to men and yet the rules which apply to women are also controlled by women, when discussing sexism.
That makes men the oppressed ones. Your very distinction makes you, women, the oppressor, not men.
But all this is immaterial. This is the featues and ideas forum, not the trolling forum. If you really wanted to push your suggestion you wouldn't have started this ludicrous debate. You're simply trolling, as has been stated by many people throughout this thread.
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